Curse

Fossa · May 10, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Shifty Five Monk

Btw Black blades beat the deep 2 days ago

Are you really allowed to tell us that? I thought the BlackBlade Alliance were under strict orders not to speak about the elite missions to outsiders? Although you are allowed to sell drops to outsiders nowadays, aren't you?

Aria · May 10, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Have some of you considered thinking about how actually getting to the elite PvE mission is another challenge? Instead of fighting through monsters, this time, it's working your way through the social aspect of Guild Wars. Go on! Make a few friends, and when/if the dominant alliances start charging, then consider the gold fee your "challenge before the challenge."

If anything, I think you should be lobbying the holding guilds to let more people in. Or if they don't, all this energy used up in the forums could go quite a long long way towards harnessing every ounce of negative energy felt towards the holding alliances, and bending that energy towards beating them. If you personally can't farm faction 24/7, find people who can. Think of it as a test in leadership, ingenuity, resourcefulness, and what else? Creativity.

If nothing else, that, as a learning experience, would even carry through the rest of your life -- along with that worsening eyesight for staring at the computer so long.

Macktar Wang · May 10, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

It's not a question about getting in that bad as not having the choise, without grinding for factions, this is ENTERTAINMENT not work. I have paid for a GAME not for a second JOB. Enjoy it as long as you can. " THE BOT'S ARE COMING SOON" 500.000 Chines Bot's farming factions, then we will see who whines. lol

Well, since Gaile Gray, the mouthpiece of Anet, says this Faction system is not flawed, I anxiously await the arrival of the farming bots. I actually hope they show up sooner than later. Maybe then they will see that this system was never a good idea in the first place.

Just my opinion though.

Buoyancy · May 10, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Aria

Instead of fighting through monsters, this time, it's working your way through the social aspect of Guild Wars.

The problem with this is that Guild Wars is supposed to be a game. Not a job.

felinette · May 10, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Aria

Instead of fighting through monsters, this time, it's working your way through the social aspect of Guild Wars.

That's not what I look for when I play a game. If I'm going to invest my time kissing ass, I'll do it in real life when the result may actually count for something important.

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If nothing else, that, as a learning experience, would even carry through the rest of your life

See above.

ETA: And yes, it's a game. The moment "work" comes into it ("You have to work for it"), you know the design has fallen off the rails.

UndeadRoadkill · May 10, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Yeah, I didn't think I was buying a social-climbing game.

Fossa · May 10, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Aria

Have some of you considered thinking about how actually getting to the elite PvE mission is another challenge? Instead of fighting through monsters, this time, it's working your way through the social aspect of Guild Wars. Go on! Make a few friends, and when/if the dominant alliances start charging, then consider the gold fee your "challenge before the challenge."

If anything, I think you should be lobbying the holding guilds to let more people in. Or if they don't, all this energy used up in the forums could go quite a long long way towards harnessing every ounce of negative energy felt towards the holding alliances, and bending that energy towards beating them. If you personally can't farm faction 24/7, find people who can. Think of it as a test in leadership, ingenuity, resourcefulness, and what else? Creativity.

If nothing else, that, as a learning experience, would even carry through the rest of your life -- along with that worsening eyesight for staring at the computer so long.

Yeah I'll try that. Thanks.

LFP: 999 people to grind faction for a month or two !

Macktar Wang · May 10, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Fossa

Yeah I'll try that. Thanks.

LFP: 999 people to grind faction for a month or two !

Cool!!! Guild Wars: Sweatshop Simulator '06. Count me in.

sgtclarity · May 10, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

I can't believe you all are so pathetic. You expect to get the creme of the crop for doing nothing? Maybe you haven't realized it yet, but these guilds who control the capitols do so because they WORKED to EARN the faction for them. You have no right whatsoever to complain one bit.

Macktar Wang · May 10, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

I can't believe you all are so pathetic. You expect to get the creme of the crop for doing nothing? Maybe you haven't realized it yet, but these guilds who control the capitols do so because they WORKED to EARN the faction for them. You have no right whatsoever to complain one bit.

I have nothing against the guilds that "work" to hold the capitals. My issue is with the design of the Faction Alliance system, and how it relates to the "elite" missions.
Do these missions have any content as far as story goes? No
Is there any real benefit to playing them? No (farming them is a different story)
Does this mean I don't want to try them? No
Are you trying to tell me that "grinding," not skill, is what makes you Elite?

UndeadRoadkill · May 10, 2006, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

I can't believe you all are so pathetic. You expect to get the creme of the crop for doing nothing? Maybe you haven't realized it yet, but these guilds who control the capitols do so because they WORKED to EARN the faction for them. You have no right whatsoever to complain one bit.

Great, is this going to be another one of those elite mission threads where the 14-year-old who doesn't even understand the issue pops in right in the middle and starts spouting off, leading to the closure of the thread?

Phrozenflame · May 10, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

non-elite players will just die anyway.

Stabber · May 10, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Great, is this going to be another one of those elite mission threads where the 14-year-old who doesn't even understand the issue pops in right in the middle and starts spouting off, leading to the closure of the thread?

My prediction: yes. Even I can tell you that, and I flunked Prognostication 101.

Fossa · May 10, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

I can't believe you all are so pathetic. You expect to get the creme of the crop for doing nothing? Maybe you haven't realized it yet, but these guilds who control the capitols do so because they WORKED to EARN the faction for them. You have no right whatsoever to complain one bit.

I think we have all the right in the world since anet has announced GW as a non-grinding game, skill>time. Yet they have once again made strange moce by coupling high-end PvE to something surreal. In prophecies it was the PvP that decided access to UW/FoW, here it's grinding faction.

I say Anet should reward all the owners of the capitals with funny hats or something, not exclusive access to the only challenging PvE in the game

Stockholm · May 10, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Phrozenflame

non-elite players will just die anyway.

Not the point, it's there choise to die or not!!!!

And ELIT? FARMING BOT'S are the correct term.

Enjoy it as long as you can THE BOT'S are ON THE WAY!!!!!

UndeadRoadkill · May 10, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Phrozenflame

non-elite players will just die anyway.

Yeah, it's funny how the system lets some non-"elite" players in, and locks some "elite" players out then, isn't it?

Rogmar · May 10, 2006, 11:00 PM // 23:00

There's really nothing you're missing. Few reduced prices on THE Merchant, and an area that's very hard to beat only for a small chance to get a zodiac skin, which might not even have everything max. If you don't want to grind faction to beat us or the other alliance, then why would you want to grind in the elite missions?

UndeadRoadkill · May 10, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Rogmar

If you don't want to grind faction to beat us or the other alliance, then why would you want to grind in the elite missions?

They're missions with objectives, right? Perhaps people want the experience of playing through them?

Senator Tom · May 10, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

stop whining and face the truth. untill anet changes it, if they ever do, the only way now that you will be able to get a hold of house of celtzer or cavalon is to grind. farm faction. thats the only way, no doubt about it. so if you want to get into the elite missions so bad, instead of wasting time here posting, start farming faction. if you think that farming faction is a 'job' not a 'game', then forget it and go do something else

Rogmar · May 11, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

They're missions with objectives, right? Perhaps people want the experience of playing through them?

I'm pretty sure its similar to FoW, haven't been in there deep yet, just the first area. Primary purpose of FoW/UW was to farm rare skins and materials, this is probably the same.